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Antonio Pereira Carneiro

Citações diversas colhidas por meu amigo

Moby Dick e Zoroastro (2)

"In the first chapter, Ishmael is quietly establishing a pattern of association among the ideas of water, cosmopolitanism, and Zoroastrianism. “Why did the old Persians hold the sea holy?” Ishmael asks in “Loomings” (20). In drawing attention to the Persians’ veneration of the sea, Ishmael makes a link between the cosmopolitanism promoted by whaling and the ancient Persian religion. Later in the novel, Ishmael writes, “I freely assert, that the cosmopolite philosopher cannot, for his life, point out one single peaceful influence, which within the last sixty years has operated more potentially upon the whole broad world, taken in one aggregate, than the high and mighty business of whaling” (98). Ishmael here aligns himself with the cosmopolite philosopher by providing that philosopher with the salient example that he has been missing: for Ishmael it is not too outlandish to believe that the way to what Immanuel Kant called “perpetual peace” might be pioneered by whaleships."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291210872_Cosmopolitanism_and_Zoroastrianism_in_Moby-Dick

Moby Dick e Zoroastro

"When Ahab looks up, however, he is not reminded of three burning crosses; he does not invoke Golgotha or the crucifixion of Christ. Instead he invokes a different—and older—religious tradition, Zoroastrianism: “Oh! thou clear spirit of clear fire, whom on these seas I as Persian once did worship, till in the sacramental act so burned by thee, that to this hour I bear the scar; I now know thee, thou clear spirit, and I now know that thy right worship is defiance. To neither love nor reverence wilt thou be kind; and e’en for hate thou canst but kill; and all are killed. No fearless fool now fronts thee.” (382)"

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291210872_Cosmopolitanism_and_Zoroastrianism_in_Moby-Dick

Definir Moby Dick?

Simboliza a Presença de Deus que Ahab (Acab) - a presença do Mal - quer negar/destruir para que assim seja restabelecido o reino do Mal ou das Trevas. Deus é Luz. Ormudz é princípio do bem e Arhiman princípio do Mal, quando Ahura Mazda hesitou/vacilou Arhiman pulou na frente e conquistou o reino , não sei por quantos mil anos ... depois seria de Ormudz. A influência do Avesta não termina aí: Fedahlah o Arpoador persa é o representante do Avesta como sendo a presença do Mal materializada.


Outra opção seria Yima"

"Ahura Mazda encarrega Yima de ser o portador de uma “Revelação”, porém este se considera incapaz e aceita somente engendrar criaturas e governá-las com equidade. Compromete-se perante Ahura, “a proteger o mundo, alimentar e velar por ele”, mas não para ensinar, meditar e proclamar a Lei. Recebe de Deus os instrumentos mágicos, uma lança e um anel de ouro."

A lança é o arpão, o anel de ouro é o dobrão (capítulo 99 The Doubloon)


Tem também a figura de Fedallah:

"The leader of the "five dusky phantoms," whom Ahab has secretly brought aboard to serve as his private boat crew, is the mysterious Fedallah, who serves as the captain's harpooner. An ancient Asian, he is reported to be a Parsee — a member of a religious sect descended from the Persians and devoted to the teachings of the prophet Zoroaster in the sixth century B.C., contrasting the spirits of light or good (Ormazd) with the spirits of darkness or evil (Ahriman). Here, the significance is that Fedallah is a man of mystery, a non-Christian who seems to be Ahab's guide or guru. Some critics suggest that, because Fedallah is a Parsee and supposedly devoted to good, he is a double agent, an assassin sent by God to eliminate Ahab. (If one considers that the Parsees were "devoted to "doing God's work" as opposed to "devoted to good," it is possible that Fedallah is doing both. Given Ahab's perspective of God and the universe, this interpretation of Fedallah and his role is valid.)


Moby Dick liquida Ahab e toda sua tripulação inclusive aquele que Ahab depositava todas suas apostas: Fedallah. Ou seja, a Presença de Deus se mostrou superior não só a presença do Mal como também sua materialização como princípio do Mal.

Melville não soube dar um destino a Moby Dick porque ele também não conseguiu derrotar o Deus que tanto procurava...

Panchatantra

Despite my own strong conviction that the Panchatantra has a vital message for the world today, I would probably never have undertaken the translation of the Panchatantra into English and Gentian had it not been for the encouragement of my "guru", Professor (Dr.) S.B. Hudlikar (Heiddberg, W. Germany). Perhaps similar attempts have been made by men of superior talent and wisdom, but I have made a modest attempt, working on the text for seven· years, to bring out a translation in modern English which would remain true to the spirit of the Sanskrit text, though I have been highly conscious of my own inadequacies in the face of such a task.

The present form of the Sanskrit text, subjected as, it has been, over the ages, to constant revision and adaptation, presents a sizeable problem to any would be translator.

Several illogicalities and non-sequiturs seem to have crept into the text with the passage of time, naturally enough, when one considers that, until modern times, these stories have been for telling, rather than reading, and they have been told time and again all over India and in many parts of the world; each story-teller using his own particular artistry to beguile his listeners, adding a little detail here and there, as he thought fit. So it is that, from the reader's point of view, sometimes the construction of the text is weak (for instance, the fifth tantra loosely constructed and· incomplete; Chakradhara's story ends abruptly and we never do return to the Brahmin's wife or the judges who were telling these stories). The present translation attempts to reproduce as accurately as possible the Sanskrit text in English but in a logical and readable form. In the interests of continuity, short sections have l been omitted, sentences rearranged and, occasionally, a linking sentence added. But every attempt has been made to keep such amendments to the minimum, though keeping in view, at the same time, to retain the flavour of the original text, which is both artistic and elegant.

All that Sanskrit names, designations and exclamations have been retained in the ltanslation to preserve the Indian atmosphere and tradition of the book. The writer, Pandit Vishnu Sharma, seems to have chosen the names with great care, for everywhere they have got some definite relationship to the character or incident in the story. At several places, there is a distinct significance Gr satire in the meanmg of the Sanskrit names. I would therefort request the reader to refer to glossary. I hope it will help him towards a thorough understanding of this ancient Indian Classic to enable more enjoyable reading.

The glossary has been provided for reference at the end of the book. The pronunciations of the Sanskrit words are comparatively simple if each word is split into syllables and then pronounced.

My desire is to establish a direct relationship with the reader. I would welcome comments and criticisms they will help me to improve upon the present translation when bringing out the next edition.

The present translation is the result of the talent, excellent team-work and experience of my friends who have affectionately guided me. They are all experts in their own respective fields.

Above all, Goddess Saraswati has smiled on me, and it is to her that I humbly dedicate this book.

For my own part, I claim no credit. I have simply performed the task of a bee that collects honey from fragrant flowers.

Harvard Oriental Series, volume eleven, with the cooperation of various scholars, by Charles Rockwell Lanman, The Panchatantra, A Collection of Ancient Hindu Tales, critically edited by Johannes Hertel, 1908.

Eu disposto, mundo emerge

4 de dez. de 2024 — And it was Fichte who claimed that after positing the “I” an “entire world emerges,” what he calls the “Not-I” (das Nicht-Ich).

Mythologies Old and New | Return of the Gods - Oxford Academic


CHAPTER VII. - THE ANTINOMY OF THE NOT-ME.- Charles Carroll Everett

This involves two distinct propositions, namely:

I. The I posits the Me as determining the Not-me.

II. The I posits the Not-me as determining the Me.

These propositions, which, as we have just seen, express simply the most ordinary facts of consciousness, furnish the foundation of the whole system which we are studying.


2 de jul. de 2022 — The content of consciousness must be divided between the Me and the Not-me

Moby Dick e gnosticismo

In Moby-Dick, Melville alluded to various eastern religions in addition to Christianity. Scholars noticing these allusions have tended to group without much discrimination Zoroastrianism (the fire worship of the Persians), Manicheism (belief in a universal duality of good and evil as coeternal principles), Hindu myths (such as that of Vishnu in Chapter lxxxii of Moby-Dick), and, less frequently, Gnosticism (without indicating how the particular doctrines apply to the novel). In proposing to treat chiefly of Gnostic influences on Moby-Dick, I shall contend that Melville applied Gnostic myths and doctrines more specifically and consistently than has been recognized, that he carefully distinguished between Zoroastrianism and Gnosticism, and that certain passages in Moby-Dick require familiarity with the Gnostic mythos to be understood. But only when discussing the most obscure of these passages would I claim that the Gnostics alone were in Melville's mind. No influence on his great book was exclusive. In proving the influence of Gnostic thought upon it, I have no wish to minimize the importance of, let us say, Zoroaster, Milton, or the Hindus. Thus in demonstrating one eastern religion's influence upon Melville, it is not my intention to unseat another's.

Gnostic Mythos in Moby-Dick
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 02 December 2020

Thomas Vargish

Mistério de Moby Dick

"From these observations we might be able to conclude that the White Whale for Ahab, and probably for MelviIIe himself is a symbol of the mysterious (Das Nicht-Ich), conscious subject evil Powet of nature or the Not-Me namely, of experience."

The English Society of Japan - Moby Dick as a Symbolic Myth. p.254 (p.4 of pdf)
Koh Kasegawa

Dizer algo original...

"... y cuando alguien pretende decir algo original no tarda en enterarse de que eso ya se le había ocurrido a un griego, y antes a un egipcio, y antes a un caldeo… bueno, no tenés otro remedio que aceptar la vida como interminable repetición."

(Galmés, 1977: 51)

GALMÉS, Héctor (1977): Las calandrias griegas, Montevideo: Ediciones de la Banda Oriental.